Type XXI and the Atlantic battle?
I read through this thread over on KBismarck.What do you guys think? http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5755&hilit=delcyros
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I'd say having reliable acoustic homing torpedoes from the start would have been a far larger advantage than the Type XXI. That way escorts could be taken out easily enough; firing an acoustic down a...
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. The Germans HAD a reliable acoustic torpedo, the trouble was that the allies had decent naval officers and scientists who figured out that the GNAT existed and sorted out suitable counter tactics...
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..... A useful book on late war allied (Canadian) ASW techniques and operations is "The U-Boat Hunters - The Royal Canadian Navy and the Offensive against Germany's Submarines" by Marc Milner. B
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They didn't have acoustic homers from the beginning though, plus they could always have worked on them and given them more sensitive seekers as the war went on (plus a deeper firing depth). Making...
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Not sure that even that lower level of high tech is what was needed. Looking at the figures on the Subs forum on how many U-boats to win the answer seems to be Germany should not start a tonnage war...
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I suppose what it boils down to is this: for all the German's vaunted reputation for technological innovation, did they actually deploy anything (prior to the XXI) that was any more effective, or even...
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Much of the KM's weapons development for its submarines was driven by the Allies success in countering the U-boats. This means more U-boat success means less effort for things like homing torpedoes....
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IoA,they didn´t entirely stopped using magnetic (all-passive) pistols, they realized the problem from an operational research approach and issued orders to rely more on impact fuse. The main issue was...
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..... This is not meant as a flag-waving exercise, only as an observation. When comparing numbers of ships and tonnage sunk, it ought to be kept in mind that the US submarine campaign lasted only 45...
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German U-Boats had twice the submerged endurance of USN Fleet Subs, which was deemed a critical factor in surviving DD counter attacks.BTW use of rear firing acoustic torpedoes was planned to combine...
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When comparing numbers of ships and tonnage sunk, it ought to be kept in mind that the US submarine campaign lasted only 45 months compared to 69 months for the U-Boat arm and that, in 35 of those 45...
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"in 35 of those 45 months, US subs were operating with defective torpedoes." You're saying the torpedo problem wasn't fixed until November '44? I don't think so.
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IcelofAngeln wrote:"in 35 of those 45 months, US subs were operating with defective torpedoes." You're saying the torpedo problem wasn't fixed until November '44? I don't think so...... Brain seizure....
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delcyros wrote:sure - then again, this would mean not talking about effect but about efficiency. And considering efficiency, apart from the factors outlined by Yourselfe, it might be helpful to...
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September '43. (this was still a preposterous 12 months after Lockwood's famous tests, showing how recalcitrant BuOrd was being even after King gave 'em a full verbal broadside.)
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"German U-Boats had twice the submerged endurance of USN Fleet Subs, which was deemed a critical factor in surviving DD counter attacks." Against the Japanese foe, I would rather have the US fleet...
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Germans counted on high submerged endurance and deep diving from the early war on, not late 1943. This allowed them to survive most counter attacks- after they had mounted attacks on Convoys. Germans...
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Sorry thats not true, the Germans relied on high surfaced speed and endurance to intercept convoys or set up most attacks. Diving depth and submerged endurance was relevant to evade or surviving...
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NewGolconda wrote:Sorry thats not true, the Germans relied on high surfaced speed and endurance to intercept convoys or set up most attacks. Diving depth and submerged endurance was relevant to evade...
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